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I had an idea for an image that's going to be notably hard to pull off. For a change it has absolutely nothing to do with my own character, no worries there. :) It's just an image that popped into my head a while ago that I can't get out, so I want to see it painted. It'd be worth a good bit of money to me if I can find the artist who can pull it off. If you draw Asian style dragons or know commission-taking artists who do, give this a read and let me know what you think. Thanks!



The idea is for a painting of an Asian dragon who is a metalworking craftsman. It's based on the idea of 'how would a dragon use modern-world tools and his/her own ability to do craft work'. The result would be a fusion between glassblowing techniques and O/A (oxygen/acetylene) welding methods.

An OA torch is nothing more than two pressurized gasses hooked up to a gun (the 'torch' itself) that mixes them so they'll burn. One gas line is green and supplies oxygen. the other is red and supplies the fuel, acetylene. The two are lit and make a very hot flame that can be used to weld. To cut, however, the flame is only used to pre-heat and get things started. Then the operator presses the trigger on the torch to start a high-pressure flow of pure oxygen. The oxygen is what actually cuts the metal, once it's hot enough to start to combust.

A typical small-sized OA kit consists of two bottles, regulators, the twin red/green line and a torch, such as this:



In glassblowing, the craftsman is working with a blob of molten glass on one end of a rod and blows into the other to inflate and/or shape it. For small parts they often use a small tube that hangs out of the corner of the mouth. Here's a sample image of that, yoinked from Google Images:



My thought is this: A dragon would have no need of fuel, like the acetylene in an OA kit. They have fire! But dragon-breath is a bit of a blunt instrument. Good for burning the occasional village or carving big holes in things, but not so good for artistic expression on a smaller scale. What if an Asian-style dragon took to detailed metalwork as a hobby? How would he do it?

I could see one perched at a workbench, working on a small project. Being a long-bodied Asian-dragon type, they'd probably be curled around their seat and desk in interesting ways. A small, hand-held cutting torch in one paw (who needs gloves? dragons sure don't), he'd be cutting out a pattern in a piece of 1/4" steel plate, the molten metal-spray spark-tumbling off the workbench below. As for equipment it'd be just a more fit-in-hand version of a normal OA torch. The green line would go to a small O2 bottle off to one side of the desk with the usual regulator. The red line would be a little more armored (to take the heat) and would split off to the edge-of-mouth tube that the dragon was blowing fire through. Simply puff through the tube and use the gun-tip to narrow the flame to a point, and there's your pre-heat, for shaping and bending hot metal with the fingertips. Pull the trigger on the gun to blast O2 into the equation and there's your cutting flame. :)

I figure that to a dragon, this would be a low-impact/low-risk activity, like we might view sewing; something you could do at the kitchen table. Since the stereotypical Asian dragon could handle molten metal with no more than the occasional 'ooh, hot!' shake of a paw, it's no-worries. However, some goggles would still be required as a cutting flame would be many times brighter (and thus eye-damaging) than normal dragon-fire. But hey -- dragons look totally bad-ass in steampunky welding goggles. So it all works out!

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An image like this, done up and printed on a big canvas (20x30 or so) would be absolutely amazing. It's the kind of art I'd really want to have hung up in my house (or shop). If done right, it would appeal to dragon fans, glassblowers and welder types -- or just makers/fab-fans in general -- as it'd be using familiar equipment adapted to a unique use. That's why I want to commission it from someone who can do a bang-up job on it, if they're out there and want to do the work. :) Any suggestions for who to pitch this idea to, inside or outside the fandom?

Date: 2008-08-12 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paka.livejournal.com
Inside? I'd say the best possible artist you could get would be Helvetica (Foofers, on LJ). However, I don't know how he feels about doing comissioned work.

Outside, I'd say go for Vinod Rams.

Date: 2008-08-12 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inaki.livejournal.com
Passing this on to my artist housemate to see what she thinks. She does amazing digital painting. :)

Date: 2008-08-12 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neogeen.livejournal.com
I immediately thought of Marie, her work would look amazing printed out large (if not painted at that size originally).

http://www.reptillian.com/index.html

Date: 2008-08-12 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inaki.livejournal.com
Oh Her! She posted a lot of her work to my horridly named site. Beautiful stuff. =D

Date: 2008-08-12 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tugrik.livejournal.com
Ooooo, nice! Should I just contact her through the links on her page, to ask?

Date: 2008-08-12 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foofers.livejournal.com
Christina DeLong and oCeLoT both come to mind. The have a knack for fiery glowy things, and dragons.

Date: 2008-08-12 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tugrik.livejournal.com
If you ever get back in the mood for commission work... you were the first person I thought of. :) But good point about oCe! I'll send her an email and see if she's back in the commission-biz again.

Date: 2008-08-12 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foofers.livejournal.com
I'm ostensibly supposed to be accepting commissions...but've been so flaky with the stuff already on my plate, probably shouldn't take on anything else right now.

Date: 2008-08-12 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inaki.livejournal.com
Someone else Starlight just suggested would be Kacey Miyagami

Date: 2008-08-12 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octantis.livejournal.com
I can't really answer your artist question, but if you don't mind me suggesting, a european style dragon might be more appropriate to your imagery. Asian dragons have been depicted having a broad range of abilities, some with fire, but the fire is incidental and they're mostly associated with water, rain, and imperial or celestial authority. The infamous Dragon King ruled an undersea palace, and many rivers are said to be governed by their own dragons. They don't really have 'dragon breath' in the legends and stories as a common trait.

By contrast, european dragons are associated with fire and metal, and are highly interested in fine material things. I could definately see one taking a pro-active approach and deciding he'd like to make the best things of his hoard with his own two claws rather than wait for it, an admirable drive.

Date: 2008-08-12 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tugrik.livejournal.com
I was thinking about this too, for similar reasons. However, the image that was in my head was with one of those noodly-long dragons instead, though. I blame all the recent Olympics coverage and a few local friends for that influence of late.

I can't seem to get a good view in my mind of a more traditional western- or european-style dragon that'd fit in this image. This may simply be a lack of imagination on my part.

Date: 2008-08-13 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octantis.livejournal.com
St. George's dragon was actually very long and serpentine, if you look at the old etched depictions of him... european dragons were originally very snakelike or sea-serpent like, but with longer limbs and different crests. You could probably get some reference for olskool dragons by looking at European woodcuts and heraldry. I think the depiction of barrel-bodied dragons came about with Smaug in the Hobbit, or at least relatively recently, as legends go.

Date: 2008-08-13 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Yeah, the West has a LOT of serpentine "wyrm" dragons.

Date: 2008-08-13 02:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zeeth_kyrah
I can see an Asian dragon taking a deep interest in sculpture and fine metalwork. It's the discipline of it that makes sense to me.

Date: 2008-08-13 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octantis.livejournal.com
Oh sure, and that's cool. The Dragon King had all kinds of treasures in his palace. But I think the focal point Tugrik is interested in here is the dragon using its own fiery breath and fiery nature to mimick an O/A torch and work it as casually as a human might do knitting, which is out of keeping for an asian dragon. It's not that you couldn't just make stuff up, we could have a unicorn doing it if we really wanted, I'm just suggesting it'd be cooler to match the mythologies up.

Date: 2008-08-12 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gafennec.livejournal.com
I'd suggest Megan Giles, but she may be swamped. She does wonderful centaurs which are notariously hard to do. If she can do great centaurs than dragons should be good too.

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Date: 2008-08-13 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhainor.livejournal.com
A few thoughts.

Firstly, why necessarily an Eastern-style dragon? IMHO, Western dragons would be just as likely to pick up this kind of hobby, if not moreso (Easterns are traditionally related more to water -- rivers and the like -- than fire)...unless it's just a personal preference.

As for who could do this, I suggest you check out the gallery of Nambroth (http://www.furaffinity.net/user/nambroth). She does some amazing stuff (including professional, outside-the-fandom work, like cover-art for novels), and I think this idea of yours might intrigue her.

Date: 2008-08-13 07:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jareth-atian.livejournal.com
Whenever anyone suggests a tech-heavy commission, I've always suggested Baron Engel. I don't know anyone who draws tech more accurately or consistently. He's even drawn Asian dragons before:

http://www.backbreaker.com/Gallery/Index.php3?ID=FA023
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