Input needed: collaborative projects?
Mar. 17th, 2010 01:28 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Two years ago we produced a limited-run set of wooden tikis for FURtherCONfusion's "Surf Safari" theme. Ten artists were included; each did one tiki design. As payment we produced a 10-pack of their own design for them to sell (or keep). The rest were sold or given away through the con and were a smash hit.
Now and then I get contracted by various conventions to do ID badges or tracking tags for them to give away. More often than not they're looking for artwork in addition to the actual production part -- but as I'm no artist myself, production is the only part I really do. This and the success of the tikis have me wanting to do more of these collaborative efforts just to see where it can go. What I'm not sure about is what's best for the artists involved.
For example: next year's FC theme is "Down Under". They may or may not ask me to make ear-tags this time around (hopefully they do!). Either way, I wanted to get a group of artists together to submit small boomerang designs to be used as eartags. If I could get ten different designs (just like with the tikis) I'd produce 50 of each, numbering the total batch from 1-500. If FC decided to buy them, the convention would give them out like the year before. If not, then my friends and I would give them out and hopefully sell a few to cover our costs. Either way, more cool schwag for con-goers.
The question is: if you are an artist who'd be interested in participating, what would you want in return for the art? If payment, how much? If you wanted a batch of the tags (like we did with the Tikis), how many? Simple recognition? Anything else?
My goal here would be to do this as a regular thing for multiple conventions: groupsource the designs, produce them on my own dime, recompense the artists in a fair way and then pitch the results to the conventions. If they bought, hey, costs covered. If not, then sell them ourselves or just distribute for fun.
Good idea or bad idea?
Now and then I get contracted by various conventions to do ID badges or tracking tags for them to give away. More often than not they're looking for artwork in addition to the actual production part -- but as I'm no artist myself, production is the only part I really do. This and the success of the tikis have me wanting to do more of these collaborative efforts just to see where it can go. What I'm not sure about is what's best for the artists involved.
For example: next year's FC theme is "Down Under". They may or may not ask me to make ear-tags this time around (hopefully they do!). Either way, I wanted to get a group of artists together to submit small boomerang designs to be used as eartags. If I could get ten different designs (just like with the tikis) I'd produce 50 of each, numbering the total batch from 1-500. If FC decided to buy them, the convention would give them out like the year before. If not, then my friends and I would give them out and hopefully sell a few to cover our costs. Either way, more cool schwag for con-goers.
The question is: if you are an artist who'd be interested in participating, what would you want in return for the art? If payment, how much? If you wanted a batch of the tags (like we did with the Tikis), how many? Simple recognition? Anything else?
My goal here would be to do this as a regular thing for multiple conventions: groupsource the designs, produce them on my own dime, recompense the artists in a fair way and then pitch the results to the conventions. If they bought, hey, costs covered. If not, then sell them ourselves or just distribute for fun.
Good idea or bad idea?
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Date: 2010-03-17 08:40 pm (UTC)I should be making a PO run before the end of next week, so I'll let you know when that package with the acrylic jar goes out.
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Date: 2010-03-17 08:56 pm (UTC)The main run of tags would be serialized so they're all unique (1-500, as most cons order a 500 batch). For the 'artists' proofs' copies, what would be preferred - custom numbers? (artist picks a range outside the 1-500) or no numbers at all? (non-customized)
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Date: 2010-03-17 09:37 pm (UTC)The distribute-for-fun part concerns me a bit, if you recall our "entitlement attitude" discussion. I used to do con t-shirts for folks until they started whining and making demands. It's generally been my experience that people will take one of anything if it's free, whether or not it genuinely interests them. Creating just the slightest barrier to entry, even if it's just a quarter or something, is sufficient to make people take ownership of what they've acquired. Rather than 500 freebies (many of which will later just get tossed out or left somewhere), you might do 150 with some token payment involved. Besides, lasers cost money.
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Date: 2010-03-17 09:52 pm (UTC)If not, then yes, produce notably less. Then sell them for cost-of-materials. But we'd still reserve at least some of them to sneakily give out to folks who were doing positive things for the fandom and convention.
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Date: 2010-03-17 09:56 pm (UTC)The issue is going to be figuring out what is a fair amount of compensation. Other than the raw material costs (which vary wildly depending on how many are produced in what media) I have no idea what the 'equivalent' would be. Trading for print-and-other services is perfect, once that amount has been set. Thus why I'm asking what folks think is fair. :)
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Date: 2010-03-17 09:57 pm (UTC)Just throwing that out there.
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Date: 2010-03-17 10:11 pm (UTC)Of course, if someone participating can't come through with their design in time or if they can't submit artwork that'd work for the project (technically or content-wise) then their slot would re-open-up for the next person in line.
Does that sound fair, or more drama-ridden than a voted contest would be?
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Date: 2010-03-17 11:24 pm (UTC)It was only a suggestion of course. It's how I would run it. Less risk of getting a sucky design AND less drama too boot IMO.
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Date: 2010-03-18 12:17 am (UTC)Off topic here, but do you custom mill acrylic? I have a separate project involving "large" (2.83" screen) oLED badges, which I need to get a decent case for but have been unable to find. We can discuss more of it over email.
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Date: 2010-03-18 03:12 am (UTC)I like the idea of 'artist edition' over numbers. It just seems like it would be easier for everyone involved.
I'm not a fan of the contest idea, but your alternate idea is much better. Especially in the case of people possibly not being able to get a design done in time and their slot opening for the next interested party.
Compensation is tricky. I, personally, like the idea of getting a batch of whatever the item is. But I know some people might prefer a different form of compensation that might differ from person to person. I suppose it'd probably be best to take those on a case-by-case basis.
Regardless, I loved those tikis and the green badges you did for Anthrocon last year. I'd be really interested in participating in something like that in the future.
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